The United Kingdom Weighing In

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Posted on October 19, 2004 10:08 AM in Miscellaneous
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There's an article running at CNN today reporting that an anti-Bush letter writing campaign has been launched in the UK targeting undecided voters in Ohio. I could quickly go off on a tangent right away begging the question "how are there still undecided voters?" but I won't, because other more important people have already asked that question. It's just too bad no one knows the answer.

My main beef here is with the Americans who reportedly backlashed at those in the UK who are trying to get their two cents in. What's wrong with that? Obviously the United States is a world power and the decision we make in this election will effect not only the British, but the rest of the world. So comments like:

Hey England, Scotland and Wales, mind your own business. We don't need weenie-spined Limeys meddling in our presidential election...

and:

Real Americans aren't interested in your pansy-ass, tea-sipping opinions. If you want to save the world, begin with you own worthless corner of it.

(Reportedly from a Texan...imagine that)

really rub me the wrong way.

Our "intelligent rebuttals" look like that, and then we wonder why other countries are worried about the outcome of this election? We've proven over the past decade that we aren't capable of handling our own elections, and it sounds like Florida has gotten a head start on doing it all over again this year.

This reminds me of when everyone got their panties in a bunch after Chris Martin gave a Kerry shout-out at the 2004 Grammys earlier this year.

The argument that we don't go tinkering around in other countries' elections so they shouldn't in ours doesn't hold water. We hardly have a reputation for tinkering in our own elections, so of course we don't show any interest in other countries'. The fact that Americans as a whole think we are better than any other country doesn't help our case either.

In my opinion other countries should be free to weigh in with their opinions in situations like these. I'm a firm believer in the the more information and knowledge, the better ideology.

And to the undecided voters out there, maybe you should take the fact that other countries are starting to weigh in as a sign that you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

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Ed Koren on October 19, 2004 at 4:08 PM:

The negative comments you quoted go hand in hand with the attitude of the current administration. This is especially why people of other countries are worried about the outcome of the upcoming election, more so than ever. There is a lot at stake, as a very large number of Europeans feel that the western world has become less safe due to the actions taken by George W. Bush and his administration.

As a Dutch national living in the United States, I feel particularly helpless as I am unable to vote. I hope the American people do the world a favour by electing the right man.

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T.Duggan on October 19, 2004 at 7:27 PM:

Unfortunately historicly to each society comes a dark age. When that dark age comes to a super power like the US then it is a sad day for the entire world.
I live in Texas. Had you asked me 27 years ago what it would be like in America today......what we have is not what I would have expected. I had never considered that any society should be forced to adopt democracy. I had never considered that anyone would want to change a country, society, or religion that was not their own, especially by force. I had never considered war as anything but a final option. The concept of pre-emption is the most dangerous change in American history.
The word liberal has become a dirty word in todays society in the US. Religious fundamentalists have taken over goverment at both local and state levels. The purpose of our US constitution has never been so painfully needed as it is today. But of course like the evil rulers of old.....it was the first to be censored.
What happens when a superpower goes mad? A decision for the ages.
But Spain had its inquisition.
Germany had its Hitler.
Russia had its Ivan the Terrible
France had its Napolean
USA now has its Bush

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Steve on October 19, 2004 at 7:55 PM:

American's have every right to be angry at others for intruding in American politics. Our elections are our business. Yes, our decisions affect the rest of the world. If they don't like our decisions, let them look to someone else to save their butts every time they get in trouble. I'm sick of hearing them whine when we do something and whine when we don't do something. Just like that useless group of idiots at the UN. Now there's a real waste of space, time, and money. Those fools would sit at a conference, just like that moron Kerry and wring their hands and worry what people thought....taking stupid polls, having warm and fuzzy talks with terrorist representatives while their henchmen are flying planes into our office buildings. Who gives a crap what the rest of the world thinks. If they want to look to us as the world leaders...then they should accept our decisions. Otherwise, they can get off their butts and do something for themselves instead of looking to us for another handout. The funny thing is....history proves that action is better than inaction. Thank God for George W. Bush!!!!!

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John on October 19, 2004 at 9:39 PM:

"Steve", above, obviously has all the financial security he will ever need or is missing his brain. These are the ONLY two qualifications one needs to be pro-bush. Preying one one's fears is no way to run a country, but when that is all you have (bush, hitler, etc) then that is all you can talk about. NO one was looking to the US to invade Iraq (and get rid of a harmless two bit world power wanna-be like Saddam, while the REAL threat, Osama, gets away) except Mr bush and his gang of self serving "modern day plantation owners" who will continue to use the US middle class like the easily manipulated bankroll (slaves) they apparently seem to be. Oh...you say paying the bulk of the taxes, while getting the least of the benefit IS a good deal for the middle class as long as we're "safe"??? I'm sorry, well thank you mr bush, at least then we will be alive after we work our entire lives and still end up in the poor house.

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Jonnyt on October 20, 2004 at 5:15 AM:

I think this song sums up some of the dumb anti British comments here. It was found on this forum: http://solutiondesign.modblog.com/?show=forum&id=106106

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media.
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mindfuck America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Convincing them to walk you.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along in the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Convincing them to walk you.

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information nation of hysteria.
It's going out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
Convincing them to walk you.

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Daniel on October 20, 2004 at 1:33 PM:

Yes Steve, the UN does have problems. The UN's biggest problem is that for most of its existence, it has not tackled the problems of the East vs. the West. These sort of conflicts were usually handled outside of the UN by the powers that were involved, unless the nations wanted to make some kind of ego-boosting statement before the world; however, there are exceptions. The Korean War comes easily to mind, at least for me.

What the UN has done over the years is approach the problem of the North vs. the South. This conflict is defined as the richer, industrialized North interfering with the South, and the South's attempts to rush straight from colonialization straight into a modern Northern state. Here, the North is not a geographic region that is indeed north, but rather the location of heavily modernizied states. Europe, North America (which included Mexico until very recently when their 'Miracle' of 50 years of continuous economic growth crashed), the Soviet Union, South Korea, Australia, and New Zealand. While many of these states did not participate in either the economic or military hegemony that I insinuated earlier, states such as Australia, NZ, SK, and Japan offer miraculous success stories that many nations have tried to emulate, only to fail miserably. This has led to programs like UNICEF and the WHO and such.

As for the United States contributing troops: We have a nation of 250,000,000+ people. We contribute troops in the numbers we do because we can. If I remember the statistic corretectly, Singapore currently has 33 soldiers in Iraq. When your nation is nothing more than a city-state, 33 soliders are a significant contribution. Also, we committ troops to these ventures because as both a permanent member of the Security Council and a self-proclaimed defender of democracy, we have an unofficial charge, one that indicates most acts require us to take the situation by the horns. (Digression: I realize that many people do not see this the way I do, but personally feel that if the US is going to attempt to plant the seeds of democracy or enforce growing shoots it should do it through a democratic system)

As for your statement concerning US monopoly on troop contributions: Tell that to the Pakistanis. They were on the Israeli-Egyptian border in the early 60s, trying to keep the peace in a situation where peace was seemingly impossible. They were with us in Somalia, and lost 20 soldiers a few days before our raid.

Tell that to the 10 Belgian comandos who were tortured and killed in Rwanda under the command of General Dallaire, a Canadian who was put in charge of a mixture of Belgian, French, and Ethiopian troops.

Tell that the allied security forces of the western Africa bloc carrying out peacekeeping in Liberia.

Tell that to any nation that has lost a single person in action while trying to enforce a single UN resolution, you prick.

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Mark on October 21, 2004 at 3:07 PM:

I'm amazed at some of these comments. How can anyone compare President Bush to Hitler? Hitler tried to take over the world and exterminate the Jewish race. His armies nearly took over the entire world if it hadn't been for the US everyone in Europe would be speaking Germany today.

We (I'm one of them) removed one of the most brutal dictators of this century from power. Millions of people live in freedom today because of us. There is a very good reason why France, Russia, and Germany were so against our invasion. They were making millions off the oil for food program. MILLIONS.

Sadam had the ability to use WMD, he used them on his own people! WMD have been found. Another lie the left would have the world believe.

I know when I go to bed tonight, the world is safer for what we have done. When Iraq becomes a true free society, and it will, the rest of this area of the world will start to fall.

How can anyone call Bush Hitler? Or have such a negative opinion of an administration that has brought freedom to so many people? What is so bad about Iraq living in peace and Sadam no longer able to spend millions stolen from them to build weapons that may have one day gone off in your or my country? Terrorist need money to operate and Sadam had plenty of it. Now he sits in jail waiting his fate that will be decided on by the people of his county.

You can lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way. You can sleep well tonight knowing that the United States, at least as long as this president holds the office, will do everything in its power to put garbage where it belings, in bodybags and jail cells.

God Bless this great country and President Bush!

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Betty on October 22, 2004 at 7:41 AM:
Mark on October 22, 2004 at 10:14 AM:

Betty,

1. I think if I was a citizen of Iraq, I would take today a thousands times over life under Sadam. If you don't believe me, take a trip to Iraq and ask them your self. I have and I can tell you not one would take Sadam over today. NOT ONE that I talked to anyway. The media would have you believe life is lawless in Iraq. Schools are reopenning, people are returning to work and all but a very small portion of Iraq is starting to thrive. Why do you think you have not seen these stories? Why have you not seen all the buildings including schools, police stations, and homes that the US military has rebuilt? Why do you only hear of the beheadings and the lawlessness?

Next time your neighbor starts abusing his children, you hide in a closet. He is after all a two bit criminal and not your problem. Might get a police officer killed if you call and report it. I don't think there are mass graves in Saudi Arabia that contain small children huddled with there dolls and mothers by the thousands (I've seen them) That man was one of the sickest leaders on this planet.

If you think Sadam had no plans to attack the US or to bring terror to our soil you are living in a dream world. You need to educate yourself and read some of the reports that have come out of Iraq and where his money went.

Bush used fear mongering and deception? Give me an example. Talking about WMD. Lets rewind the tape. Who thought there were weapons in Iraq before we invaded. The list of countries and people on both sides of congress would go on for a mile. Bush didn't make this up. Bush was advised by the CIA, NSA, the British government along with MANY other countries. And yes there were WMD found in Iraq.... That has even been reported by the liberal press. Not in mass but it has been proven that oil for food money (that wasn't going into France, German, and Russian officials pockets anyway) went into many small lads researching and producing chemical and biological weapons. Only takes one to kill a few thousand on our soil. Read the report. Stop taking what you hear in the news as the truth. It is there for all to see.

Costly, we have lost a little over a thousand brave men and women. MILLIONS now live in freedom. Sounds like a pretty small price to pay to me. Pointless, guess you would like to live under a government that tortures you just for being a christian, or a kurd, or any other group his government disliked. Wake up to poisonus gas flowing through your house because of who you are.

Show me his incompetence, show me his deceitfulness. I want the fact, not the party line. BTW, last time I checked, the US Government was not just one person. Guess the entire congress sat on their rearends while Bush "lied" to the country and then voted for war with guns held to their heads because his gestapo stood near by ready to shot if they didn't. Or are they all morons? You tell me.

I believe the Supreme court upheld his election, I also believe that many overseas US Servicemen and women's votes were ILLEGALLY not counted in Florida alone, again facts, not lies. Maybe it was the black vote... Another lie. You see great big republicans standing at the polling places with guns? How about all the homeless that the Democrats paid to come vote?

These "people" were actively fiting against our forces. These are not people that we found walking down the street and said hey you, you like like a bad guy, come with me. No, these people were actively trying to kill our forces. Want more Americans dead. Lets let them all go back home and they can kill a few more Americans.

You really need to pick up the 911 report READ IT cover to cover and when you are done with that, I'll give you a few more unbiased reports.

Here is another fact for you. Who is paying the prices for Iraq, the military. Who is in charge of determining when the military is sent into combat? The Commander-In-Chief. So... knowing this and how horrible the conditions are in Iraq and how pointless this is who do you think the military would want in charge? That would be President Bush. Not by some slim majority but by over 80%!!! and that is Researve, National Guard, and Active duty. Check out the Army or Air Force Times. Not my figures, theirs.

Want some more fact and not drible, come on back and I'll point you to many facts on Iraq, terrorism, and how much safer you are. Seen another terrorist attack on the US since 2001? No, wonder why??? Why are they attacking our partners in Iraq to get them to leave??? Could it be because we are doing good things and they don't like it. Try to isoloate us so we can leave and they can take the country back over. Intersting isn't it.

Go pick up the report and do your own research.

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Mark on October 22, 2004 at 10:28 AM:

Betty, here is a book for you too.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1400053552/qid%3D1097555852/sr%3D8-1/ref%3Dsr%5F2%5F1/102-7756218-6395315/lauraingraham-20/002-6663767-8108067

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SteveM on October 25, 2004 at 1:50 AM:

Re: Steve's comment about people from other countries having no right to voice an opinion on the US elections then Steve...consider this...

As a citizen of one of America's closest allies (Australia) I beg to differ on your opinion and challenge it as ignorant and totally uninformed....its was only over the past few months that your ambassador to my country, your vice president and your president ALL made commentary to our people by telling them that to vote for anyone BUT our present government in our recently held national elections would be a travesty to the free world (quote)...maybe you forgot to voice your opinion to your own government????

You cant have it both ways Steve...as far as Im concerned anybody has the right to make comments and lobby support in elections of any country..after all isnt this now touted as a global economy? BUT my intolerant little friend if you assume nobody outside your country has the right to give a damn about your election how bout getting off your own azz and writing to your givernment telling them to keep their opinions to themselves about the elctions in other countries.

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bob on October 27, 2004 at 3:56 AM:

Mark.

you scare more than sadam ever did.

sadam did have WMD but Mr Bush senior took care of those. How do i know he had WMD? I know because we sold them to him. Who are we? We are the British.

Oh, and where is Osama? the guy that started this all? Oops sorry not allowed to mention him are we? after all bush is on the pay role.

Right ho, I’m off to sip some tea while sitting on my pansy ass :0)

Bob

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